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Post by onemoredork on Sept 24, 2022 10:01:56 GMT -5
Riley took a drive killing call that was also TSN'd
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Post by derkickistneingut on Sept 24, 2022 10:21:05 GMT -5
Yes, I meant the greater "we". Even with all of the other issues pointed out there was still an opportunity to win. Defense, especially lack of meaningful pass rush, cost the game, imo For the 6th or 7th time this year. Just moseyed over to the cheer site & there are posts about the team "winning out", lol. How the eff this team is gonna win a single game on the road doesn't seem to occur to them. If 14 games can’t prove this team has a propensity to wilt in the late going, then you are an eternal optimist. One big game doesn’t erase the coaching and talent issues going on. Comments about receivers are pretty spot on. These guys have some talent but consistently don’t make the big catches that win games. The issue I have in the second half is we got away from Running the ball, and tried to force feed Timmy a few long balls where he was pretty well covered. Your 5’-9” 170 lb guy can’t be your jump ball target. Condell mixed it up nicely in the first half with runs, short and intermediate passes but then we seemed to go for broke after and it messed up the offensive rhythm. Montreal’s offensive line controlled us in the fourth quarter. And we keep playing too far off receivers and giving up easy underneath passes - Harris feeds off the short game and we seemed to play right into his hands. Secondary didn’t seem anywhere near as effective after Randle Jr. went down. |
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Post by sigpig on Sept 24, 2022 11:49:21 GMT -5
This was Kiondre Smith's worst game so far. 1 catch with a fumble & the other drop in the endzone that had to be made, although that play should never have been called. Why they didn't run Hills in that situation is just ridiculous Smith took a major penalty early in fourth that was never explained. He's a rookie and this was his first bad game. I'm wiling to give him a bit more rope than the Whites. His fumble was caused by the ball hitting a defender's shin and barely popping out before contact with the ground. It's not like hi simply dropped it or allowed it to be torn from his hands. The one in the End Zone was a tough catch, but the ball went where only he could catch it. That play should never have been called, because it gave MTL 40-yards fo field position.
Crash, I REALLY dislike Timmeh, so we will have to agree to disagree. The only consistant thing about him is his inconsistancy. How many passes have gone through BOTH his hands, and how many has he made a perfect volleyball set to defenders (Dunbar is in there too)? At least a third of his receptions, yards, YAC come in garbage-time as stat-padders. I can see him MAYBE being a third or fourth receiver on a different (not necessarily "better") team at best.
You said it - playmakers make plays. I like Dunbar a LOT more than both Whites, as he appears to actually put in an effort. Probably a good second receiver, but not a primary. Ungerer only missed one target last night in relief of Papi.
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Post by sigpig on Sept 24, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -5
I had this thought in the back of my mind since last night post-game, and it scares me.
I think we all agree that at least the co-ordinators need to go. El Presidente (I can say that here, right?) should become El Head Coach, but I don't think Mitchall has the balls to fire him as Prez of Football Ops. It would have to be a complete break from the team.
Perhaps they can find ONE GM out of their three-headed-monster, but I honestly feel that all of them should be fired as well. I feel sorry for Drew Allemang, as he pretty much started as a water boy and worked his way up through the administration, but either he was in over his head from the start, or he gets over-ruled by the two goons that were parachuted in when Burke excaped the burning barn.
This could mean a complete change at GM (Danny McManus perhaps?), and that often (always?) leads to a coaching change, and that GM/HC combo will want to bring in "their guy" at QB. I honestly can't see Danny doing that, but it's extremely possible.
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 24, 2022 17:37:24 GMT -5
I had this thought in the back of my mind since last night post-game, and it scares me. I think we all agree that at least the co-ordinators need to go. El Presidente (I can say that here, right?) should become El Head Coach, but I don't think Mitchall has the balls to fire him as Prez of Football Ops. It would have to be a complete break from the team. Perhaps they can find ONE GM out of their three-headed-monster, but I honestly feel that all of them should be fired as well. I feel sorry for Drew Allemang, as he pretty much started as a water boy and worked his way up through the administration, but either he was in over his head from the start, or he gets over-ruled by the two goons that were parachuted in when Burke excaped the burning barn. This could mean a complete change at GM (Danny McManus perhaps?), and that often (always?) leads to a coaching change, and that GM/HC combo will want to bring in "their guy" at QB. I honestly can't see Danny doing that, but it's extremely possible. Not that anyone's asking me, but given the choice, I'd turf Steinauer, keep the coordinators in place for the rest of the year with Khari helping out. 2 of the 3 GMs would go, with Allemang staying around for his Cdn content/draft knowledge. I'd hire Danny Mac as GM & let him start his HC search now. We don't need any more proof that Steinauer is unwilling to change his approach |
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Post by Crash on Sept 24, 2022 18:09:02 GMT -5
I had this thought in the back of my mind since last night post-game, and it scares me. I think we all agree that at least the co-ordinators need to go. El Presidente (I can say that here, right?) should become El Head Coach, but I don't think Mitchall has the balls to fire him as Prez of Football Ops. It would have to be a complete break from the team. Perhaps they can find ONE GM out of their three-headed-monster, but I honestly feel that all of them should be fired as well. I feel sorry for Drew Allemang, as he pretty much started as a water boy and worked his way up through the administration, but either he was in over his head from the start, or he gets over-ruled by the two goons that were parachuted in when Burke excaped the burning barn. This could mean a complete change at GM (Danny McManus perhaps?), and that often (always?) leads to a coaching change, and that GM/HC combo will want to bring in "their guy" at QB. I honestly can't see Danny doing that, but it's extremely possible. Not that anyone's asking me, but given the choice, I'd turf Steinauer, keep the coordinators in place for the rest of the year with Khari helping out. 2 of the 3 GMs would go, with Allemang staying around for his Cdn content/draft knowledge. I'd hire Danny Mac as GM & let him start his HC search now. We don't need any more proof that Steinauer is unwilling to change his approach Honest question, you'd be willing to blow it up with a home GC next year? |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 24, 2022 18:32:32 GMT -5
Not that anyone's asking me, but given the choice, I'd turf Steinauer, keep the coordinators in place for the rest of the year with Khari helping out. 2 of the 3 GMs would go, with Allemang staying around for his Cdn content/draft knowledge. I'd hire Danny Mac as GM & let him start his HC search now. We don't need any more proof that Steinauer is unwilling to change his approach Honest question, you'd be willing to blow it up with a home GC next year? Yep, but as soon as possible to get better people in place. Don't leave it to this off-season, that's too late imo. There's going to need to be a transition period. Better the last 4 games of this year than the first 4 of next. |
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Post by mightypope on Sept 25, 2022 18:58:36 GMT -5
- The game was basically over when we settled for a FG on the 2 yard line. Hills runs the ball the entire way down the field and you throw a back of the endzone ball to Smith. There isn't another team in the league that would have been that stupid. - With the new rules and the other team fielding the ball on the 40 after a FG, you really have to consider going for it in that spot. I get that you're down 2, but a FG is almost useless giving them the ball on the 40 yard line. Run the ball on 2nd down and try it again on 3rd. I wouldnt have argued with the short yardage package from the 2. That deep endzone pass from the 2 was a ridiculous play call. Hills would have definitely got the TD even if it took two cracks to get it. Fully agree that a field goal at that point was useless, even if it gave them a 1 point lead. Once again, bad coaching decisions were a big part of this loss. |
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Post by onemoredork on Sept 26, 2022 10:32:22 GMT -5
Shouldn't White and Dunbar's accumulated stats, both average at best receivers, make Evans look that much better ?
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Post by Crash on Sept 26, 2022 10:47:34 GMT -5
Shouldn't White and Dunbar's accumulated stats, both average at best receivers, make Evans look that much better ? Evans stats essentially mirror Bethel-Thompson's - but with lessor weapons and yes a few more turnovers. Moral of the story is that perception is reality and the media has decided that MBT is a thing, but Evans is under fire. |
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Post by sigpig on Sept 26, 2022 10:51:44 GMT -5
Shouldn't White and Dunbar's accumulated stats, both average at best receivers, make Evans look that much better ? Not according to the pom-pom wavers. As Crash said, take away those two, and THEN look at the stats. Gone are the days when this team had 4 1000-yd receivers with THIS batch. When League-average receivers are your "featured" ones, you're in a bad place.
Honest question - when was the last time we had a tall, physically dominant WR/SB? Terrence Toliver (while he lasted)? Bakari Grant? Fantuz?
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Post by onemoredork on Sept 26, 2022 11:03:01 GMT -5
Shouldn't White and Dunbar's accumulated stats, both average at best receivers, make Evans look that much better ? Not according to the pom-pom wavers. As Crash said, take away those two, and THEN look at the stats. Gone are the days when this team had 4 1000-yd receivers with THIS batch. When League-average receivers are your "featured" ones, you're in a bad place.
Honest question - when was the last time we had a tall, physically dominant WR/SB? Terrence Toliver (while he lasted)? Bakari Grant? Fantuz?
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Post by sigpig on Sept 26, 2022 11:34:07 GMT -5
I'm talking guys Andy's size - 6'4" - 6'6" and BUILT.
Ellingson - was a "posession" receiver when he was with Hamilton. Tasker was better (at the time) in that role. Acklin, to me, is the same.
Sink was a 6'1" built burner with a decent vertical. Would have loved to see him stay here, but NFL practice-roster cheques and the attempted conversion to a DB ruined him for his football life. Not really the type of guy I was talking about.
A good example is Geno Lewis. Yes, he's "only" 6'1", but he always makes plays on the ball, wins the majority of the 50-50 battles, etc.
You could throw Andy a pass that's 3' above his head (9'4" high) and he would catch it while his feet were still on the ground. You can't defend THAT.
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Post by woodchuck on Sept 27, 2022 8:49:39 GMT -5
Living near Montreal, I was able to attend the game last Friday. Needless to say, I was extremely disappointed with the outcome. What a painful season for the TiCats and their fans. The way this team has lost games has been excruciating to say the least. Having been a fan for over fifty years I have decided to vent my spleen here on this forum. I am upset at a number of the play calls this season. It became noticeable during the home game against Calgary near the end of the first half when the TiCats had a large lead and were in easy field goal range. Instead of kicking the field goal the offence went for it on third and three. After giving up the ball, we all know that the game spiralled out of control after that. On that occasion there was absolutely no need to gamble; we were leading for crying out loud. TAKE THE POINTS! Fast forward to Friday, and the TiCats tried another gamble on a third and two. The game was still winnable; no need to take unnecessary chances! Instead of pinning the Alouettes deep, they gave up the football around midfield. Even more mind-boggling was the second down play on the two yard line. Hills had rolled through the Als defence on that drive, and I think providing him with two cracks from the two would have been much more appropriate. Even two QB sneaks would have been less risky than one 25 yard corner pass. Needless to say, the offence has been in a temper-mental state for most of the season. Taking that into consideration, one would think that the play-calls of the coaching staff would put them in the optimal position to succeed. Disappointing! No offence wants to be predictable; understood. But they also do not want to be seen as being silly. There are times to take risks and times to play things conservatively.
It is not all on the offence. It would be nice if the defence could come up with a key stop when the team needs it, or a big play every now and again. Too often the defence has folded its tent as the game nears the finish. It has looked far to easy for the opponent to march down the field and score. Sometimes it has looked like the TiCats have been playing Prevent defence for the entire fourth quarter. There was little pressure on Harris all night. Can no one penetrate the line even once during an entire game? Even on a blitz? Sheesh.
Well I feel better! Thank you for indulging me. Hopefully the Tabbies will win there last four games and eke into the playoffs. Then we can all look back on this and laugh.
Oskee Wee Wee!
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Post by Crash on Sept 27, 2022 21:44:22 GMT -5
For the record I didn't have a big issue with the gamble at mid field.
The call on the 2 as mentioned before giving them the ball on the 40 almost has to mean going for it. But the playcall on 2nd down was brutal.
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