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Post by derkickistneingut on Jul 18, 2022 12:17:38 GMT -5
I’m guessing he will be more of a qb coach than anything. If that’s all this is then it probably couldn’t be much worse than what we’ve seen most of the season and might even help Dane and Shiltz seeing things on the field. If it was something that was forced on Condell it
might not end well if they’re planning to make a coaching change. I don’t see Khari as a real offensive guru, given how things wound up in Mtl but another set of eyes might help take some load of Condell for the short term.
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Post by FozzieBear on Jul 18, 2022 13:21:56 GMT -5
The package - no. The play calling - yes. Except for the ONE play with Dane in the wildcat.
When you cant control line of scrimmage, protect QB or run block consistently its what you're gonna get no matter who is OC. So why not add more wild cat type plays then? Have two QB's on the field more and keep the opponent guessing as to which will receive the ball from the snap etc. Hamilton play calling has not evolved in years as we have had the same coordinator who rarely ever makes adjustments and the player personnel is getting worse each season. Time for new creative plays and less predictable play calling. |
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Post by onemoredork on Jul 18, 2022 13:44:08 GMT -5
No one precdicted Shiltz package. By doing it more you make it predictable. When you cant run block a two yard rush looks like a wasted play. When recs arent open down field because theyre too small short dump passes look like a wasted play. When the other team dictates point of attack it is out of the OCs hands apart from quick releases which Condell has tried all season.
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Post by Crash on Jul 18, 2022 14:32:15 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of "when someone good becomes available get them in the organization".
This won't hurt us. And might light a fire under Condell. If anything it shows they're willing to do things to improve.
If you think this is a "bad" move you're probably just really angry (and that's ok) and if you think it's a "great" move you probably hate Condell.
I'm somewhat indifferent on the matter. If he provides even an ounce of help it's a positive.
A former QB to work with the QBs is never a bad thing.
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Post by Crash on Jul 18, 2022 14:33:38 GMT -5
No one precdicted Shiltz package. By doing it more you make it predictable. When you cant run block a two yard rush looks like a wasted play. When recs arent open down field because theyre too small short dump passes look like a wasted play. When the other team dictates point of attack it is out of the OCs hands apart from quick releases which Condell has tried all season. Condell ran that package with Masoli, Lefevor sp?, Masoli, etc. It can be predictable but still hard to stop when there's 2 run and 2 pass options on every play. I'm down with it. |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Jul 18, 2022 14:44:32 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of "when someone good becomes available get them in the organization". This won't hurt us. And might light a fire under Condell. If anything it shows they're willing to do things to improve. If you think this is a "bad" move you're probably just really angry (and that's ok) and if you think it's a "great" move you probably hate Condell. I'm somewhat indifferent on the matter. If he provides even an ounce of help it's a positive. A former QB to work with the QBs is never a bad thing. 100% Does anyone really see O firing Condell? There's a reason he came back after O took over. That being said, it might make Condell nervous about his job. At worst, it's a qb coach who played the position. |
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Post by sigpig on Jul 18, 2022 15:33:54 GMT -5
I'm gradually going from WTF to indifferent.
I feel as if the team is simply grasping at straws now.
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Post by Crash on Jul 18, 2022 16:01:06 GMT -5
Put me in the camp of "when someone good becomes available get them in the organization". This won't hurt us. And might light a fire under Condell. If anything it shows they're willing to do things to improve. If you think this is a "bad" move you're probably just really angry (and that's ok) and if you think it's a "great" move you probably hate Condell. I'm somewhat indifferent on the matter. If he provides even an ounce of help it's a positive. A former QB to work with the QBs is never a bad thing. 100% Does anyone really see O firing Condell? There's a reason he came back after O took over. That being said, it might make Condell nervous about his job. At worst, it's a qb coach who played the position. 2 schools of thought... O gives 100% decisionmaking in the Offensive gameplan to Condell, doesn't give much input into it because he's a defensive coach, and it's a strictly results situation with Condell... Get rusults, or yes he will fire him. Or O believes the issues are deeper than playcalling and that Condell isn't the problem. Personally I think it's the 1st and I do think he would fire him. Similar to Sutherin with Lancaster, the D was entirely his. Lancaster seemed to have little input in the D. |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Jul 18, 2022 16:22:16 GMT -5
100% Does anyone really see O firing Condell? There's a reason he came back after O took over. That being said, it might make Condell nervous about his job. At worst, it's a qb coach who played the position. 2 schools of thought... O gives 100% decisionmaking in the Offensive gameplan to Condell, doesn't give much input into it because he's a defensive coach, and it's a strictly results situation with Condell... Get rusults, or yes he will fire him. Or O believes the issues are deeper than playcalling and that Condell isn't the problem. Personally I think it's the 1st and I do think he would fire him. Similar to Sutherin with Lancaster, the D was entirely his. Lancaster seemed to have little input in the D. This is the team that doesn't make 2nd half adjustments, remember...I don't see them making any significant changes |
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Post by onemoredork on Jul 19, 2022 8:25:50 GMT -5
Would HAM be the only city excited over signing a .500 HC and a fairly unremarkable OC as a consultant? Or is it a symptom of a fanbase desperate for hope and projecting ? Apart from likeability and experience what, in a tactical sense, is the attraction with this guy ?
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Post by sigpig on Jul 19, 2022 9:48:30 GMT -5
Would HAM be the only city excited over signing a .500 HC and a fairly unremarkable OC as a consultant? Or is it a symptom of a fanbase desperate for hope and projecting ? Apart from likeability and experience what, in a tactical sense, is the attraction with this guy ? They are already calling him Condell's replacement. According to the linked article, he will be helping the co-ordinators and position coaches, mostly, probably with special attention to Dane. If, or course, you actually believe what comes out of Orlondo's mouth...
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Post by mightypope on Jul 19, 2022 10:38:48 GMT -5
What, you don't believe what comes out of Stein's mouth? Since we've got Jones now can we get rid of Casey Creehan? |
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Post by onemoredork on Jul 19, 2022 10:42:01 GMT -5
CFL media and cfl fandom in general all seem to really like Jones. Thats wonderful. But not a single thing Ive read or heard makes a case for what exactly makes him a great coach or football mind, Not one. I watch CFL the same as the rest you and dont honestly recall ever being particularly impressed.
Resume certainly doesnt reveal it. Seems a lot of people have enthusiastically embraced a notion that doesnt exist in reality.
And if you take Stein at face value that the coaching jobs are all still clearly defined and respected what makes Jones any different from Jim Barker whom we still dont know what exactly he did here ?
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Post by sigpig on Jul 19, 2022 10:52:33 GMT -5
CFL media and cfl fandom in general all seem to really like Jones. Thats wonderful. But not a single thing Ive read or heard makes a case for what exactly makes him a great coach or football mind, Not one. I watch CFL the same as the rest you and dont honestly recall ever being particularly impressed. Resume certainly doesnt reveal it. Seems a lot of people have enthusiastically embraced a notion that doesnt exist in reality. And if you take Stein at face value that the coaching jobs are all still clearly defined and respected what makes Jones any different from Jim Barker whom we still dont know what exactly he did here ? Don't you get it? We're not allowed to question the coaches. We're supposed to put all our faith in them, and just be happy we have a team to watch. |
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Post by onemoredork on Jul 19, 2022 11:10:54 GMT -5
Its understandable fans not being objective, we're all guilty of it in one form or another, but its media that should be spelling out exactly what makes Jones so extraordinary. But they dont. And I suspect that they dont because they cant.
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