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Post by onemoredork on Aug 7, 2023 12:02:23 GMT -5
Wow, Milton's going to ride the Stein express right off the cliff, isn't he ?
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Post by sigpig on Aug 7, 2023 12:28:14 GMT -5
#MarchingOrders
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Post by FozzieBear on Aug 7, 2023 13:24:44 GMT -5
Good write up but I disagree with the Condell part. His play calling is vanilla bs and very very predictable now which perhaps is related to a terrible Oline. However, when I was at the Redblacks game a fan next to me watching his first football game was calling Condells plays 8 out of 10 times.
If fans in the stands can predict your play then you are failing at your job as a coordinator.
I don't think Condell deserves a pass at all, but after all, they're down to a 4th string QB; playcalling is bound to be somewhat vanilla. Prior to Powell starting, the offence was struggling, so the answer is to usually restrict the playbook until the entire offence can get on the same page. What's most disturbing to me is the lack of any halftime adjustments at all. When the opposing D takes away your biggest weapon (Butler), and you have to expect they're going to do that, what's your answer to that? If you chose "continue trying what doesn't work", you've failed as a coordinator. If you went into the game not expecting that to happen, you've failed as a coordinator. I really think that Steinauer's biggest problem is taking the "next man up" philosophy" to the extreme. Yes, in a perfect world, a backup would perform to the same standards as a starter, but the world aint perfect. Talent levels vary. Players' grasps of the game vary. Powell is NOT going to be able to read a defence like Bo can. It's funny, because my previous employer did the same thing. They thought that by doing the same steps, anyone could come in & be successful. Well, in practice, the replacements couldn't match the experience, instinct, or attitude that made the replaced staff successful. You can't teach that shit. It's learned over an extended period, often painfully. That's why that company is barely keeping its head above water right now. It's also why so many of our past players are successful with new organizations: because they're allowed to play as themselves, not a starter whose skillset might be different from theirs. It's poor talent management, which I realize will come as a shock to us here.
All coaching on this team is frankly poor at this time and really has not ever been very good at half time adjustments. Rookie QB or not Condell does deserve to be raked over the coals for a bland vanilla offense that is beyond predictable right now. I agree with the one commentator on Milton's latest article where he said there are only about 6-8 plays. Yes the talent is not nearly good enough but are they really not good enough or is this coaching staff so set in their ways that they will no longer adapt systems to the talent on hand.
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Post by FozzieBear on Aug 7, 2023 13:30:43 GMT -5
Wow, Milton's going to ride the Stein express right off the cliff, isn't he ?
I do not think he was too bad to be honest as he is calling for coaching to make changes as well. He could be harder on Stein but really for him to go full bore guns ablazing will just mean that he is barred by the team whether officially or not...see the treatment of Drew Edwards by the franchise. Stein has already been a borderline mega prick to the media this year.
Overall coaching, scouting, and management are all equally to blame for the current mess, and yes this team is a mess bordering on a dumpster fire.
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Post by onemoredork on Aug 7, 2023 14:42:12 GMT -5
Access is part of it but Milton genuinely believes in Stein which is fine but the problem is there's no evidence of his claims in the actual results but as a media member the burden of proof is on him. But he hasn't reached that point and I sense he never will.
So stay tuned for a "Stein was a victim of circumstance" or "Stein just ran out of time-pro sports is a cruel business" type column. Late this year or early '24.
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Post by countfloyd1 on Aug 7, 2023 14:51:37 GMT -5
I don't think Condell deserves a pass at all, but after all, they're down to a 4th string QB; playcalling is bound to be somewhat vanilla. Prior to Powell starting, the offence was struggling, so the answer is to usually restrict the playbook until the entire offence can get on the same page. What's most disturbing to me is the lack of any halftime adjustments at all. When the opposing D takes away your biggest weapon (Butler), and you have to expect they're going to do that, what's your answer to that? If you chose "continue trying what doesn't work", you've failed as a coordinator. If you went into the game not expecting that to happen, you've failed as a coordinator. I really think that Steinauer's biggest problem is taking the "next man up" philosophy" to the extreme. Yes, in a perfect world, a backup would perform to the same standards as a starter, but the world aint perfect. Talent levels vary. Players' grasps of the game vary. Powell is NOT going to be able to read a defence like Bo can. It's funny, because my previous employer did the same thing. They thought that by doing the same steps, anyone could come in & be successful. Well, in practice, the replacements couldn't match the experience, instinct, or attitude that made the replaced staff successful. You can't teach that shit. It's learned over an extended period, often painfully. That's why that company is barely keeping its head above water right now. It's also why so many of our past players are successful with new organizations: because they're allowed to play as themselves, not a starter whose skillset might be different from theirs. It's poor talent management, which I realize will come as a shock to us here.
All coaching on this team is frankly poor at this time and really has not ever been very good at half time adjustments. Rookie QB or not Condell does deserve to be raked over the coals for a bland vanilla offense that is beyond predictable right now. I agree with the one commentator on Milton's latest article where he said there are only about 6-8 plays. Yes the talent is not nearly good enough but are they really not good enough or is this coaching staff so set in their ways that they will no longer adapt systems to the talent on hand.
Yep, the coaching staff apparently refuses to play to the strengths of individual players. This is what's behind continually blaming losses & poor play on lack of execution. |
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Post by Crash on Aug 7, 2023 14:51:49 GMT -5
Stein reminds me of the guy that gets promoted in a big company but doesn't have the stones to manage people older or his former peers. So Condell, Washington and Reinebold basically get to run their units with no input from Stein and while they are veterans, he isn't exactly leading.
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Post by countfloyd1 on Aug 7, 2023 14:55:30 GMT -5
Btw, I don't think I noticed McCalister play a single snap on offence last game. Why the he'll not? Dude is a find. They took Butler away in the 2nd half, why wouldn't you try #35 to spark the offence?
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Post by onemoredork on Aug 7, 2023 15:09:08 GMT -5
Using the workplace analogy...Stein the employee showed promise and checks some boxes deemed important. He then gives a spectacular interview. But two years in it's clear the skills and talent aren't commensurate with the title and management is reluctant to admit they made a mistake and disappointed because they genuinely like the guy so they hope the situation resolves itself.
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Post by mightypope on Aug 7, 2023 15:12:21 GMT -5
Btw, I don't think I noticed McCalister play a single snap on offence last game. Why the he'll not? Dude is a find. They took Butler away in the 2nd half, why wouldn't you try #35 to spark the offence? McAllister was on the field. I know he made at least one catch that went for about 15 yards deep in Montreal territory. Problem was, they weren't using him as much as they should have. |
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Post by mightypope on Aug 7, 2023 15:16:23 GMT -5
Stein reminds me of the guy that gets promoted in a big company but doesn't have the stones to manage people older or his former peers. So Condell, Washington and Reinebold basically get to run their units with no input from Stein and while they are veterans, he isn't exactly leading. That's a problem with any management. When you start treating the workers who report to you as "buddies", then you are really asking for trouble. That's one reason Stein won't get rid of Washington or Condell. He would rather go down on the ship with them. |
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Post by Crash on Aug 7, 2023 15:17:32 GMT -5
Stein reminds me of the guy that gets promoted in a big company but doesn't have the stones to manage people older or his former peers. So Condell, Washington and Reinebold basically get to run their units with no input from Stein and while they are veterans, he isn't exactly leading. That's a problem with any management. When you start treating the workers who report to you as "buddies", then you are really asking for trouble. That's one reason Stein won't get rid of Washington or Condell. He would rather go down on the ship with them. he'll get his wish then. |
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Post by espo on Aug 7, 2023 16:00:51 GMT -5
Btw, I don't think I noticed McCalister play a single snap on offence last game. Why the he'll not? Dude is a find. They took Butler away in the 2nd half, why wouldn't you try #35 to spark the offence? he was on for one play thrown his way at least 13 (i think) yard pickup, no other attempts according to CFL.ca pretty sure his reps are going to Locksley and his multiple offside penalties. I'm not super willing to put the blame for this one at Condell's feet (unless we wanna say Bo being hurt is the only blame to get there) Early on the run game seemed to be working, plays were mixed up decently between short passes, long attempts and run/dump offs/screens.... A few runs get stuffed, and none of the deep threats pan out, so Condell switches up to more short and intermediate passes, which are great, they have a higher success rate, problem is you need to complete them at a higher percentage... one drop screws the plan. not to mention you're setting up your receivers to get lit up every other play. I get that Butler was the big boy acquisition, and he was taking heat for not putting the ball in his hands enough, but it seemed like every other pass in the second half was to #9.... Timmy didn't exactly come back cheap and him and Duke getting almost no looks unless it was in double coverage.... (as an aside, liked what Godwin brought last year, and this year he's looked even better) On that note, do we have any idea when Wynn's back? lack of a pass rush makes sense if we're stuffing the run, but it felt like we were giving up at least 8 yards per carry on first down... I'm honestly not sure how to fix this |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Aug 7, 2023 17:01:03 GMT -5
Condell, while nowhere near perfect, is not the team's biggest issue. I believe Wynn was put back on the 6 game last week, make of that what you will.
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Post by sigpig on Aug 7, 2023 18:55:19 GMT -5
Condell, while nowhere near perfect, is not the team's biggest issue. I believe Wynn was put back on the 6 game last week, make of that what you will. My buddy was at the Ottawa game, and was sitting with Wynn's family. They told him that Dylan wasn't ready yet. I would prefer to keep this info on this site. |
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