coache
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Aug 17, 2023 21:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by coache on Aug 17, 2023 21:38:34 GMT -5
Hahaha - so coach O is going to let “the wind” beat him again - in 12 games over the last 2 years he let the opponents have the ball to start both halves - just giving possessions away - doing it again tonight - because of the wind.
Learned long ago, as a young coach, 2 things you can’t control - weather and officials- and he loses to both of them - everytime!!
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Aug 17, 2023 21:59:47 GMT -5
Post by sigpig on Aug 17, 2023 21:59:47 GMT -5
See what the wind can do?
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coache
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Aug 17, 2023 22:01:31 GMT -5
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Post by coache on Aug 17, 2023 22:01:31 GMT -5
See what the wind can do? What give up a sack? Grow up playing in the Great Plains in the fall, you wouldn’t be scared of a little 20mph wind - we call that a breeze. You’re not going to convince me giving opponents more possessions is a good thing - period!!! |
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Aug 17, 2023 22:14:32 GMT -5
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Post by coache on Aug 17, 2023 22:14:32 GMT -5
See what the wind can do? See what the wind can do? Much easier to be accurate throwing INTO the wind than with it. Not even going to mention the FG |
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Aug 17, 2023 22:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by onemoredork on Aug 17, 2023 22:45:26 GMT -5
Whipping a dead horse again but I ask, to no one in particular, is Stein even an average coach ?
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Aug 18, 2023 5:41:20 GMT -5
Post by countfloyd1 on Aug 18, 2023 5:41:20 GMT -5
Whipping a dead horse again but I ask, to no one in particular, is Stein even an average coach ? He was an average DC. In wayyyyy over his head as HC, never mind the head of football ops stuff. |
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Aug 18, 2023 8:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by onemoredork on Aug 18, 2023 8:55:29 GMT -5
Putting aside the old notion that DCs have trouble moving to HC..
Did Mitchell get bamboozled into thinking Stein was exceptional to give him that kind of freedom and power ?
And isn't that incompetence on Mitchell's part or just a mistake every company makes
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Stein's interview must have been legendary.
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Crash
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Aug 18, 2023 10:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Crash on Aug 18, 2023 10:46:25 GMT -5
Putting aside the old notion that DCs have trouble moving to HC.. Did Mitchell get bamboozled into thinking Stein was exceptional to give him that kind of freedom and power ? And isn't that incompetence on Mitchell's part or just a mistake every company makes ? Stein's interview must have been legendary. I still maintain if Stein remained head coach only we wouldn't be here. He got an offer from Washington and Mitchell didn't want to rebuild prior to 2022. The new GM (or Burke) could have just given Condell or Washington their shot and we would have been better off than Steins promotion because we'd still have a professional front office. |
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Aug 18, 2023 10:54:05 GMT -5
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Post by onemoredork on Aug 18, 2023 10:54:05 GMT -5
Putting aside the old notion that DCs have trouble moving to HC.. Did Mitchell get bamboozled into thinking Stein was exceptional to give him that kind of freedom and power ? And isn't that incompetence on Mitchell's part or just a mistake every company makes ? Stein's interview must have been legendary. I still maintain if Stein remained head coach only we wouldn't be here. He got an offer from Washington and Mitchell didn't want to rebuild prior to 2022. The new GM (or Burke) could have just given Condell or Washington their shot and we would have been better off than Steins promotion because we'd still have a professional front office. Agree. But that requires a belief that Stein possesses exceptional talents. It would appear that the "talent evaluation" problem goes farther up the food chain and beyond roster decisions. And that's troubling. For the one millionth time what is so good about Orlando Steinauer ? |
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Aug 18, 2023 11:05:01 GMT -5
Post by Crash on Aug 18, 2023 11:05:01 GMT -5
I still maintain if Stein remained head coach only we wouldn't be here. He got an offer from Washington and Mitchell didn't want to rebuild prior to 2022. The new GM (or Burke) could have just given Condell or Washington their shot and we would have been better off than Steins promotion because we'd still have a professional front office. Agree. But that requires a belief that Stein possesses exceptional talents. It would appear that the "talent evaluation" problem goes farther up the food chain and beyond roster decisions. And that's troubling. For the one millionth time what is so good about Orlando Steinauer ? When he first started he seemed to be good at managing games, he was making the right in-game decisions, going for 2 often, gambling when it made sense to, challenging the right plays - he seemed like a solid young Head Coach. One assumes he would grow further into the role (like Mike OShea). He was good with the media and all of the "We're building a culture" stuff seemed to resonate with some - of course when you're 15-3 deficiencies get masked. When 2021 rolled around it was clear the team was not re-loaded properly and we all chalked it up to ownership being cheap, his handling of the Masoli/Evans situation was when I first had my radar up that the guy is a flat out liar and giving us crap in interviews. The botching of the 2021 Grey Cup game and more importantly how he handled it after "I called the kneel and i would do it again" was when I realized this guy is full of shit. Once he was given the President's title I was worried about his workload and more importantly his qualifications and it was clearly a desperation to keep him move from Mitchell, I was worried we were in trouble. Then moving on from Evans so quickly for Bo (which I have on good authority Scott Mitchell was behind) is when i knew we were in trouble from a front office perspective.... Back to paragraph 1 - Stein lost his way with what made him successful in 2019, we don't go for 2 anymore, we're ultra conservative, he's a dick to the media and he somehow has regressed in game management. He's regressed as a HC and isnt even good at that anymore. |
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Aug 18, 2023 13:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by coache on Aug 18, 2023 13:03:19 GMT -5
his handling of the Masoli/Evans situation
You don’t know how much this is true and I think it affected the players who were living a different reality - Just like your own kids, they know when you’re honest and genuine, every man on that team will tell you that the narrative he was spouting and what was actually occurring was bullshit (and that’s nothing against Jeremiah, have always been a fan)
He may have able to get away with it IF he would’ve had a conversation in the lockerroom with the whole team stating “this is what we got going on, this is how we see it, I’m going to deflect and misdirect to the media, but this is where we stand” that happens a lot, called coach-speak - but that never happened
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Post by Crash on Aug 18, 2023 13:25:38 GMT -5
his handling of the Masoli/Evans situation You don’t know how much this is true and I think it affected the players who were living a different reality - Just like your own kids, they know when you’re honest and genuine, every man on that team will tell you that the narrative he was spouting and what was actually occurring was bullshit (and that’s nothing against Jeremiah, have always been a fan) He may have able to get away with it IF he would’ve had a conversation in the lockerroom with the whole team stating “this is what we got going on, this is how we see it, I’m going to deflect and misdirect to the media, but this is where we stand” that happens a lot, called coach-speak - but that never happened But in typical Stein fashion - being honest wouldnt have changed anything from a competitive advantage standpoint. "We're going with the veteran Jeremiah, but we have a great backup in Dane and if Dane gets the call we're confident we have just as good a chance to win" would have been perfectly fine. Matthew Sciantti would tweet things like "Jeremiah getting all 1st team reps" and then Stein would say stupid things like "we have a 1a and 1b, not a true starter" - it's bordering on Trump-like lying. It made no sense then and to this day it still makes no sense. |
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Aug 25, 2023 19:48:46 GMT -5
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Aug 25, 2023 19:53:52 GMT -5
Post by espo on Aug 25, 2023 19:53:52 GMT -5
serious question, is there any chance he learned about this defensive procedure penalty during the offseason, or during the CAL-TO game like i did?
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