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Post by mightypope on Sept 7, 2022 15:29:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of fans do not understand if a quarterback is surrounded by shitty talent then he is going to look shitty as well.
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 7, 2022 18:16:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of fans do not understand if a quarterback is surrounded by shitty talent then he is going to look shitty as well. Odd part is, there's plenty of recent proof of this: Glenn 2009/2010, Printers 2007/08, Maas 2006, McManus 2002/2003 |
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Post by Crash on Sept 7, 2022 18:49:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of fans do not understand if a quarterback is surrounded by shitty talent then he is going to look shitty as well. Odd part is, there's plenty of recent proof of this: Glenn 2009/2010, Printers 2007/08, Maas 2006, McManus 2002/2003 QB is the easiest target to have when you're essentially a ball watcher that wants to get angry but doesn't understand the game well enough. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of line play, but I know a QB who has zero time vs one that does |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 8, 2022 4:26:56 GMT -5
Odd part is, there's plenty of recent proof of this: Glenn 2009/2010, Printers 2007/08, Maas 2006, McManus 2002/2003 QB is the easiest target to have when you're essentially a ball watcher that wants to get angry but doesn't understand the game well enough. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of line play, but I know a QB who has zero time vs one that does True. Similarly, it's not coincidental that a star RB like Jackson has such poor rushing stats. Wonder if that has something to do with our poor O line play?  |
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Post by sigpig on Sept 8, 2022 9:50:31 GMT -5
QB is the easiest target to have when you're essentially a ball watcher that wants to get angry but doesn't understand the game well enough. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of line play, but I know a QB who has zero time vs one that does True. Similarly, it's not coincidental that a star RB like Jackson has such poor rushing stats. Wonder if that has something to do with our poor O line play? And yet, someone "over there" thinks we have a GREAT O-line. The guy doesn't seem to notice that our O-line "issues" are fixed with the trades to Edmonton. Here's a hint - it took the team until Game 12 to "fix" it. Championship teams do not take 2/3 of a season to "fix" an issue. Maybe, just MAYBE, an "effective" (as in - mediocre) O-line would have protected ALL QBs better, leading to fewer fumbles and desperation INTs.
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Post by onemoredork on Sept 8, 2022 11:33:51 GMT -5
True. Similarly, it's not coincidental that a star RB like Jackson has such poor rushing stats. Wonder if that has something to do with our poor O line play? And yet, someone "over there" thinks we have a GREAT O-line. The guy doesn't seem to notice that our O-line "issues" are fixed with the trades to Edmonton. Here's a hint - it took the team until Game 12 to "fix" it. Championship teams do not take 2/3 of a season to "fix" an issue. Maybe, just MAYBE, an "effective" (as in - mediocre) O-line would have protected ALL QBs better, leading to fewer fumbles and desperation INTs.
In hindsight management dumped quite the mess in Condell and Gibson's lap. Ragbag Oline and rec corps (chopping the number one rec no less). If it can be shown that both were sole architects, decision makers and hand picked the athletes we saw to start the year then I'd gladly place blame on both of them and drive them to the airport. But can anyone believe they pointed at that dog's breakfast and said "yeah, Stein, these are MY guys " ? |
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Post by Crash on Sept 9, 2022 11:43:35 GMT -5
In fantasy land a good coach can take any roster regardless of anything and make them champs.
Remember it's easy to blame 1 coach than 12-20 players.
And before I get called a hypocrite, I don't think Coach O is that bad, but I think Pres O is. And that's the issue.
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Post by onemoredork on Sept 9, 2022 12:27:27 GMT -5
At some point we were sold on the notion of Stein being an emerging superstar coach. So far has shown himself to be , at best, an average one, imo.
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Post by sigpig on Sept 9, 2022 14:36:13 GMT -5
At some point we were sold on the notion of Stein being an emerging superstar coach. So far has shown himself to be , at best, an average one, imo. Mediocre, perhaps? |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 9, 2022 14:48:35 GMT -5
In fantasy land a good coach can take any roster regardless of anything and make them champs. Remember it's easy to blame 1 coach than 12-20 players. And before I get called a hypocrite, I don't think Coach O is that bad, but I think Pres O is. And that's the issue. All personnel moves are sanctioned by Steinauer. He's the one who is deciding not to correct all the deficiencies of this team. At 3-9, the reasons why really no longer matter. He's ultimately responsible for White taking a knee in the GC by not taking 2 seconds to tell him to make sure he runs it out before the kick. Why should the players care when the HC can't be bothered to? |
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Post by FozzieBear on Sept 9, 2022 19:44:58 GMT -5
Great discussion going on in this thread (and the on the board overall). Very refreshing to come to a forum and not be bashed or berated for not towing the kool aid line and see a good discussion going on. My thoughts: 1. QB - Giving up on Dane is just bat sh*t retarded at this point. There are way too many offensive deficiencies for any QB to succeed with this current offense and these reasons have been highlighted well on this board. 2. O Line - improved but as others have said why did it take until game twelve and 3 trades to get to this point? One of the reasons this season is a write off. 3. Coaching - Subpar, 12th rate, borders on unprofessional at times. Pres Orlondo is frankly a first rate Ahole this season and it shines through in his press conferences. I like others have no issues overall with Orlondo the HC, however, Orlondo the president should be fired. I am glad Crash highlighted Orlondo's lack of any qualifications for the job as I have felt similarly. I do not believe that Orlondo will make any coaching changes save for any caused by one leaving on his own. Orlondo's not taking any responsibility for the play and team situation says to me that he is still deluded to enough to believe that the coaching has been good which we all know is absolute BS. Yes players need to execute but coaches need to coach and this staff having no ability to make in game adjustments is stunning. 4. Ownership - the harder they try the more they they fail spectacularly. It almost seems as if Young and crew are destined to never succeed beyond a tease here and there. 5. Ticat talent evaluation - This three headed GM monster needs to be slain and buried for good. I like the suggestion of Danny McManus and agree that he would do a good job here.
6. Players - I am not sure that they actually have but the last couple of games it has given me the appearance that once they get down in score they quit on the team. Could be the way it seams but I would not be surprised if many have quit on the team.
7. Josh Smith - Agree that he seems to be relaying others opinions because he has seriously back pedalled on his view and is now saying much of what we do on this board.
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Post by Crash on Sept 9, 2022 19:54:56 GMT -5
Josh Smith - Agree that he seems to be relaying others opinions because he has seriously back pedalled on his view and is now saying much of what we do on this board. [/div][/quote] He's definitely not the only one. The people that say they never come and read this "seldom used site" seem to reference/quote it/change their stance alot. |
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Post by derkickistneingut on Sept 9, 2022 21:21:06 GMT -5
Two games back of a playoff spot. Will Orlondo actually acknowledge next game against Alouettes as must win?
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Post by espo on Sept 9, 2022 22:16:18 GMT -5
At some point we were sold on the notion of Stein being an emerging superstar coach. So far has shown himself to be , at best, an average one, imo. Mediocre, perhaps? Medi-O-cre was right there.... |
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Post by countfloyd1 on Sept 10, 2022 3:48:29 GMT -5
Josh Smith - Agree that he seems to be relaying others opinions because he has seriously back pedalled on his view and is now saying much of what we do on this board. [/div][/quote] He's definitely not the only one. The people that say they never come and read this "seldom used site" seem to reference/quote it/change their stance alot.[/quote] In between reminiscing about the 60s & pointing out that Tim White is 5th in receiving yards.. |
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